Posts by Little Bo Peep

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JC ON TAPE

by SickofLies in

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http://neocrat.com/sol.mp3 .

http://www.savefile.com/files/1740618

sorry for the long file, is there anyone that can clean this up a bit, the quality is actually pretty good considering the mic was hidden and i was in a big room.

Little Bo Peep

"a Christian" said:

All other kinds of life, vegetation and animals, Genesis tells us, were not directly "created" by God but were actually "produced" by "the land." (Gen. 1:11,12, 24

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember Charles Russell talking about "theistic evolution" somewhere. Gen 1:12, 14, 20, 24, all could indicate this, although I'm uncertain on this issue as I havn't studied it enough. I've wondered about the polar bears...if the earth was a hothouse, and it'd never rained till the flood, did they "evolve" to have thick fur and layers of fat for the frigid north? Certainly Jehovah in his wisdom could have set things in motion, from the tiniest creature on up, overseeing it then saying he was pleased with the results.

Little Bo Peep

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Anyone can give a quick overview of Circuit Assembly?

by stillAwitness in

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mine was this weekend but so is the annual music festival so sacrifices had to be made.

i know there were some threads on this already but i can't seem to find them.. anyways, i know dear old mom will be there to ask me: "what points did you bring home from the assembly.".

come to think of it: i don't even know what the theme was this year!???

Little Bo Peep

My daughter said the last circuit assembly they attended (last spring I think), didn't have anyone "sit down front" for the baptism. Caught everyone off guard and they had to give another talk. Suppose they'll start taking a congregation "head count" for baptismees so that doesn't happen again. It seems when we were going 4+ years ago, most that were baptised were young (growing up as a JW) and once in a while someone older, from the "field".

Little Bo Peep

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JC ON TAPE

by SickofLies in

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http://neocrat.com/sol.mp3 .

http://www.savefile.com/files/1740618

sorry for the long file, is there anyone that can clean this up a bit, the quality is actually pretty good considering the mic was hidden and i was in a big room.

Little Bo Peep

We're anxious to hear your tapes. We've been gone a few days, but our kids have kept us up-to-date on your post. Just a note about education. At Bethyl, who educates the lawyers for the Society, who programs the MEPS printing machine. Did these experts in their field educate themselves??? It seems the WT wants educated men at headquarters, but the rank-and-file is to be uneducated. The uneducated have a hard time thinking for themselves. The educated ask questions, and do not redily believe anything and everything anyone tells them without facts. The Bible and the real "truth" can stand up to any questions, the Watchtower "truth" can't.

Little Bo Peep

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A question on " 1975 "

by The in

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i was reading some of the first " topics " on this db and i noticed that a few former elders and publishers .

were stumbled by this date.... i was born after 1975 and i'd really appreciate any comments from brothers and sisters who were around .

what i've noticed from personal experience is that many brothers and sisters feel that only " a few " were stumbeled .

Little Bo Peep

I too had experience personally regarding 1975. I was baptized in 1958 and have been associated with the WT since 1949. My husband and I finally left 4+ years ago. 1975 was a very big issue to us, but we would go to assemblies, meeting old friends, saying "at least we're still here". Like "Rockhound" said, there was much made about 1975 and everyone was looking forward to it with anticipation.

We were, until I found out I was pregnant. I remember driving myself home from the doctors office, having to pull off to the side of the road and cry. I was so terrified, because I was due in August 1975, and could hear Jesus words in Matthew about woe to the nursing mothers. When I look back on that time, I feel sadness that a time of joy brought such fear. I had a beautiful baby girl that has grown up to be a wonderful wife and mother, who dearly loves the real "truth".

My aunt and father both were major stockholders in a company in Kentucky. In 1968 she sold her stocks and it toppled the company. She and my uncle paid off their house and car and anything else they could, leaving just enough to live on until the fall of 1975. They both neglected their health because the new system was so close. When 1975 came and went, they were nearly destitute. That didn't stop them from "looking the other way" as though nothing happened, like all of us did.

When my husband went to the Kingdom Ministry School for two weeks back in 1973, I can remember where I was when he called, excitedly telling me the instructor just showed them on the chalk board why "it might even come sooner than October 1975". It never dawned on us "no one knows the day or the hour". How stupid were we? I guess because our parents were JW's, it was good enough for us. We were "raised and JW and will die a JW", as many in the door to door work would say about their religion.

I'm so thankful we finally woke up. We started researching, really researching about 5 years ago. We havn't thrown the baby out with the bathwater. We have a closer relationship with Jehovah and Jesus than ever before. We have actually read the Bible, several times now. What a difference it makes when you actually read the context, and I don't mean a verse before and after, but chapters. I hope you continue on in your search, it will prove rewarding in the end. We realized we didn't want to exchange truth for the lie, so feel we've finally found out the truth about the "truth".

Little Bo Peep

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Wacky WT article to 'scare you'

by Smiles in

its a wt article on their official website called the "the danger zone".

"the danger zone"... isn't that an old kenny loggins song for the top gun movie soundtrack?.

here is the wt "danger zone"... .

Little Bo Peep

It's amazing to me that the WT can so easily take prophecies that apply to the nation of Israel and apply all of them to our future. Some of the Hebrew Scriptures are obvious prophecies about the Messiah, but so much of what is there has fulfillment with the nation of Israel, especially during Solomon's reign. I found it interesting that the Watchtower, April 15, 2000 "Making All Things New - As Foretold", deals with Isaiah 65, showing an initial fulfillment with Israel. It told how the "new heavens and new earth", represented a new society in the Jewish homeland, that they had a "new system of things", and the "new heavens" were Zerubbabel, a decendant of David. Following this information it quotes 2 Pet 3:13 about the new heavens and earth, being in our future, but Paul, in 2 Cor 5:17 said that "if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old things passed away, look! new things have come into existence". I believe he is talking about believers in Christ and their relationship with him, then and now. I think to use 2 Peter as a basis for all the prophecies of the Hebrew Scriptures having a literal fulfillment in a "paradise" is really stretching things.

Little Bo Peep

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The Best Revenge...

by CountryGuy in

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is living a good life..... i'm not sure who said it, but is it ever so true.

the jws think that once we leave the "protection" of the wts, we are doomed to wander through life aimlessly and without purpose.

and, maybe i did that for a little while.. but, i have been on a mission to take my life back from those rotten sobs.

Little Bo Peep

We've been away from the KH for over four years. Never did receive a phone call, although someone called and didn't leave a message (caller ID). There have been "apostate" rumors for several years, but to my knowledge we aren't "officially" out. My mother told my son I tried to talk to one of her friends the other day and they were offended. She told them we weren't DF'd or anything like that, so why shouldn't I talk to them. I make it a point to say "hello" to all I see, with a big smile, asking how they're doing and telling them I'm doing just great. It makes for some funny facial expressions, when we're suppossed to be "gnashing our teeth" and "weeping" for leaving. I've decided not to "play their games" and even when we do get the "axe" I'll do the same. I must say, I have a much closer relationship with Jehovah, and now with Jesus also, something I really can't say I had before "studying" the Bible. I'm so grateful I found out the truth, about the "truth."

Little Bo Peep

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Valuable Comment on Documentary re: Babylonian Records

by Lady Liberty in

was watching a awesome program last night called solar max on cable.

it is a imax film about the solar system.

they made a comment that i quickly wrote down, "the babylonians records are so accurate that they use them today to correct computer programs.

Little Bo Peep

I too saw that program about the sun. I was surprised when they mentioned the Babylonian tablets, their astronomical readings etc. and how accurate they were. Just one more bit of information to prove "secular" sources are something very valuable.

Little Bo Peep

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Need scan of AK Graysons' book pg. 100........

by ellderwho in

im putting the final nail in the coffin.

with this information from graysons' book " assyrian and babylonian chronicles" grayson 1975. i will be able to show my step father (elder) the contradictions and misquotings of the wt.. btw during my 2.5 years of studying with him(stepdad) i really held his feet to the fire on 607 so much so that he actually went on line and ordered graysons' book that the insight book quotes.. and during one of our studies he opened it and was disapointed to say the least.. so i would love to have this information on hand for a little chit-chat about the wt misuse of graysons work.

the specific scan would be from graysons' assyrian and babylonian chronicles 1975 page 100 and 102.. any help is appreciated.. ew

Little Bo Peep

Lady Liberty had the book and possible made some scans of the information you're looking for.

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It's High Time I Introduce Myself

by Lady Liberty in

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it's high time i introduce myself.

i feel like i know many of you already, just by daily reading your posts over the last year.

you all have been a support to my husband and i, even though you were not even aware we were even here.

Little Bo Peep

If , however , you take the view that 607 is false and feel this is fatal to JW beliefs , you basically have 2 choices.

1... "Christian" way of life. So you now believe the Trinity is true , immortal soul , Xmas , Easter , numerous other core belies that you were convinced from a study of the scriptures were false , you now have to believe were true.

2.. Secular way of life. Now you have to believe that we all evolved from primeval soup and that God either doesn't exist or is disinterested in mankind. The bible is a load of bunk and we are here for 3 score years and thats it. No purpose , no hope.

Some who post on this site have adopted native American beliefs or worship trees. Have they found a greater truth?

To dismiss JWs over a relatively trivial issue that is still not proven and adopting a completely different belief & worship structure is like divorcing your husband because he came home one night from the pub and (you think) lied about snogging the barmaid and then marrying a serial philanderer , gambler and alcoholic and not believing that your new husband does any of these things. It takes a far greater leap of faith than you would ever have in believing (or at least reluctantly accepting) 607.

Couldn't leave this one alone. Why does everyone seem to think when you leave the WT, you also throw the baby out with the bathwater? My "worldly" sister said she could hardly wait to hear me cuss! I havn't changed! I still love my "father" Jehovah, his dear son, my Lord, my mediator, Jesus Christ, and dearly love God's Word, the Bible. Where would we be without that? In leaving the WT, I've done just as the apostles asked Jesus in John 6:68, "Whom shall we go away to? You have the sayings of everlasting life." I havn't gone anywhere. I've just begun following Jesus (through the words of the Bible), rather than the WT! I realize I really do have a "mediator", and one that doesn't depend on my relationship with a man's organization. There is truly love all around us, and as a JW I never saw it!

This is surely nothing trivial! The lies and deciet are disgusting. And they have proved they'll say and do anything to keep their beliefs in tact. Just being open-minded in reading the Bible, context and all, will really open your eyes. In 58 years, I never once read all the Bible, except for the occasional Bible reading from the TM School. I have finally read the Bible several times, using first the NWT, then various other translations. What a breath of fresh air! When you finally read the Bible to see what it is really telling you, without any pre-conceived interpretations, it makes a huge difference.

Lady Liberty - What a great first post. You should be able to help many with your story. I'm glad to be a part of it. Love you.

Little Bo Peep

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Easy Math for 586/587

by Mrs.Congeniality in

please keep in mind while reviewing this that adding years is actually going back in time.

also keep in mind that i am agreeing with the years of reign with the society not the years.

be open minded when you look at this and you too can see how 586/587 comes about.

Little Bo Peep

Dearest Lady, ;-) the first quote refers to his becoming king over Babylonia, the second quote says that his kingship as a world ruler began in 607 (after the conquest of Jerusalem), so these are two separate evnts referred to in the book.

Greetings According to the book, Nebuchadnezzar had become world ruler at this time (according to secular sources this was in 605/604, his accession year and then his first full year, as his father was still ruler in 607). But Babylon had become a world power, when they took power away from Egypt, not when Jerusalem was destroyed, another 18 years later. If one will but read the context of 2 Chron 35-36; 2 Kings 23-25 and Jere 18-52, you will see quite plainly, Jerusalem was in no position to be telling anyone what they could or could not do. They were subservient to Egypt and then to Babylon. Destroying Jerusalem in 586-587 or as the WT would have us believe, in 607, didn't make Nebuchadnezzar world ruler. He had been for some time. Jerusalem was but a very small part of his empire. The context of the above mentioned scriptures shows Jerusalem and her vassel king time and time again gave treasures from Jehovah's house to Babylon, even the gold doors of the temple, so can you really say they were still in power? As far as I can tell, this is just a "distinction without a difference", a way for the WT to try to make up the 20 year difference in whatever way they can. It shouldn't matter to us what the "book" says, but rather what the Bible itself tells us. When I first started reading the scriptures with my "blinders off" and without any "pre-conceived interpretations" my eyes were really opened. I would suggest to anyone interested in the facts, to first read the Bible accounts. It's really an "eye-opener." You'll think it's a lot to read, but once you begin, it's hard to put it down. I have found Bible reading to be really enjoyable (and I never did before) and so beneficial and comforting. Also, we were referred time and time again to the Kingdom Come book appendix. To read it at first sounds like "it makes sense" so no need to look any further. If you really want the facts, check it out "further". The first two pages are why we could probably believe 586-587, and the last two pages telling you why you shouldn't believe the first two pages. There are a lot of posts regarding this refutation, and worth taking the time to really check out. There is so much more to this than meets the eye, and as was commented on above, there is "everything" at stake for the WT. They must make this date work, at whatever costs, or all their authority structure will crumble. Thanks for listening... Little Bo Peep